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Committee Room 3 - Senedd |
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Thursday, 26 March 2015 |
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09.30 - 11.30 |
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Concise Minutes: MeetingTitle |
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Assembly Members: |
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Alun Ffred Jones AM (Chair) David Rees AM (In place of Mick Antoniw AM) Jeff Cuthbert AM Russell George AM Llyr Gruffydd AM Julie Morgan AM William Powell AM Jenny Rathbone AM Paul Davies AM (In place of Antoinette Sandbach AM) Joyce Watson AM |
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Witnesses: |
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Carl Sargeant AM, The Minister for Natural Resources Sarah Dawson, Welsh Government Neil Hemington, Welsh Government Tony Clark, Welsh Government Graham Rees, Welsh Government Matthew Quinn, Welsh Government |
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Committee Staff: |
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Alun Davidson (Clerk) Catherine Hunt (Second Clerk) Peter Hill (Deputy Clerk) |
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Transcript
View the meeting transcript.
1 Introductions, apologies and substitutions
Apologies were received from Antoinette Sandbach and Mick Antoniw. Paul Davies and David Rees attended as a substitute.
2 Planning (Wales) Bill: Stage 2 - Consideration of amendments
In accordance with Standing Order 26.21, the Committee disposed of the following amendments to the Bill:
Amendment 74 (William Powell) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 75 (William Powell) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 76 (William Powell) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 77 (William Powell) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 78 (William Powell)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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William Powell |
Jeff Cuthbert |
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Paul Davies |
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Russell George |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
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Julie Morgan |
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Jenny Rathbone |
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David Rees |
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Joyce Watson |
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1 |
8 |
0 |
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Amendment 78 was not agreed |
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Amendment 115 (Russell George)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Paul Davies |
Jeff Cuthbert |
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Russell George |
Llyr Gruffydd |
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Julie Morgan |
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William Powell |
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Jenny Rathbone |
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David Rees |
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Joyce Watson |
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7 |
0 |
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Amendment 115 was not agreed |
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Amendment 191 (Llyr Gruffydd)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Paul Davies |
Jeff Cuthbert |
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Russell George |
Julie Morgan |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Alun Ffred Jones |
David Rees |
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William Powell |
Joyce Watson |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 191 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 79 (William Powell)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Paul Davies |
Jeff Cuthbert |
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Russell George |
Julie Morgan |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Alun Ffred Jones |
David Rees |
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William Powell |
Joyce Watson |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 79 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 80 (William Powell)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Paul Davies |
Jeff Cuthbert |
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Russell George |
Julie Morgan |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Alun Ffred Jones |
David Rees |
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William Powell |
Joyce Watson |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 80 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 57 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 116 (Russell George)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Paul Davies |
Jeff Cuthbert |
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Russell George |
Julie Morgan |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Alun Ffred Jones |
David Rees |
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William Powell |
Joyce Watson |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 116 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 41 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 192 (Llyr Gruffydd)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Paul Davies |
Jeff Cuthbert |
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Russell George |
Julie Morgan |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Alun Ffred Jones |
David Rees |
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William Powell |
Joyce Watson |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 192 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 193 (Llyr Gruffydd)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Paul Davies |
Jeff Cuthbert |
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Russell George |
Julie Morgan |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Alun Ffred Jones |
David Rees |
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William Powell |
Joyce Watson |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 193 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 117 (Russell George)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Paul Davies |
Jeff Cuthbert |
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Russell George |
Julie Morgan |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Alun Ffred Jones |
David Rees |
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William Powell |
Joyce Watson |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 117 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 86 (Russell George)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Paul Davies |
Jeff Cuthbert |
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Russell George |
Llyr Gruffydd |
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Julie Morgan |
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William Powell |
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Jenny Rathbone |
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David Rees |
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Joyce Watson |
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7 |
0 |
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Amendment 86 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 194 (Llyr Gruffydd)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Paul Davies |
Jeff Cuthbert |
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Russell George |
Julie Morgan |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Alun Ffred Jones |
David Rees |
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William Powell |
Joyce Watson |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 194 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 195 (Llyr Gruffydd)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Paul Davies |
Jeff Cuthbert |
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Russell George |
Julie Morgan |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Alun Ffred Jones |
David Rees |
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William Powell |
Joyce Watson |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 195 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 196 (Llyr Gruffydd)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Paul Davies |
Jeff Cuthbert |
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Russell George |
Julie Morgan |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Alun Ffred Jones |
David Rees |
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William Powell |
Joyce Watson |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 196 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 197 (Llyr Gruffydd)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Paul Davies |
Jeff Cuthbert |
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Russell George |
Julie Morgan |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Alun Ffred Jones |
David Rees |
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William Powell |
Joyce Watson |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 197 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 58 (Carl Sargeant) was not moved.
Amendment 59 (Carl Sargeant) was not moved.
Amendment 81 (William Powell) was not moved.
Amendment 5 (Carl Sargeant)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Jeff Cuthbert |
Paul Davies |
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Julie Morgan |
Russell George |
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Jenny Rathbone |
Llyr Gruffydd |
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David Rees |
Alun Ffred Jones |
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Joyce Watson |
William Powell |
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5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 5 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 6 (Carl Sargeant)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Jeff Cuthbert |
Paul Davies |
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Julie Morgan |
Russell George |
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Jenny Rathbone |
Llyr Gruffydd |
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David Rees |
Alun Ffred Jones |
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Joyce Watson |
William Powell |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 6 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 82 (William Powell) was not moved.
Amendment 198 (Llyr Gruffydd) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 199 (Llyr Gruffydd)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Paul Davies |
Jeff Cuthbert |
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Russell George |
Julie Morgan |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Alun Ffred Jones |
David Rees |
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William Powell |
Joyce Watson |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 199 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 200 (Llyr Gruffydd)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Paul Davies |
Jeff Cuthbert |
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Russell George |
Julie Morgan |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Alun Ffred Jones |
David Rees |
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William Powell |
Joyce Watson |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 200 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 201 (Llyr Gruffydd)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Paul Davies |
Jeff Cuthbert |
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Russell George |
Julie Morgan |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Alun Ffred Jones |
David Rees |
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William Powell |
Joyce Watson |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 201 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 7 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 8 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 9 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
Amendment 60 (Carl Sargeant) was not moved.
Amendment 10 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i)
Amendment 202 (Llyr Gruffydd)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Paul Davies |
Jeff Cuthbert |
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Russell George |
Julie Morgan |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Alun Ffred Jones |
David Rees |
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William Powell |
Joyce Watson |
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5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 202 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 203 (Llyr Gruffydd)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Paul Davies |
Jeff Cuthbert |
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Russell George |
Julie Morgan |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Alun Ffred Jones |
David Rees |
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William Powell |
Joyce Watson |
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5 |
5 |
0 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 203 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 204 (Llyr Gruffydd)
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Against |
Abstain |
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Paul Davies |
Jeff Cuthbert |
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Russell George |
Julie Morgan |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Alun Ffred Jones |
David Rees |
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William Powell |
Joyce Watson |
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5 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 204 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 205 (Llyr Gruffydd)
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In favour |
Against |
Abstain |
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Paul Davies |
Jeff Cuthbert |
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Russell George |
Julie Morgan |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Alun Ffred Jones |
David Rees |
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William Powell |
Joyce Watson |
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5 |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 205 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 11 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i)
Amendment 12 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i)
Amendment 13 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i)
Amendment 14 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i)
Amendment 15 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i)
Amendment 16 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i)
Amendment 17 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i)
Amendment 18 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i)
Amendment 19 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i)
Amendment 20 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i)
Amendment 21 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i)
Amendment 22 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i)
Amendment 118 (Russell George)
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Abstain |
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Paul Davies |
Jeff Cuthbert |
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Russell George |
Julie Morgan |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Alun Ffred Jones |
David Rees |
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William Powell |
Joyce Watson |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 118 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 119 (Russell George)
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Abstain |
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Paul Davies |
Jeff Cuthbert |
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Russell George |
Julie Morgan |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Alun Ffred Jones |
David Rees |
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William Powell |
Joyce Watson |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 119 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 120 (Russell George)
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Abstain |
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Paul Davies |
Jeff Cuthbert |
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Russell George |
Julie Morgan |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Alun Ffred Jones |
David Rees |
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William Powell |
Joyce Watson |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 120 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 42 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i)
Amendment 121 (Russell George)
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Abstain |
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Paul Davies |
Jeff Cuthbert |
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Russell George |
Julie Morgan |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Alun Ffred Jones |
David Rees |
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William Powell |
Joyce Watson |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 121 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 43 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i)
Amendment 23 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i)
Amendment 24 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i)
Amendment 25 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i)
Amendment 83 (William Powell)
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Abstain |
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Paul Davies |
Jeff Cuthbert |
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Russell George |
Julie Morgan |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Alun Ffred Jones |
David Rees |
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William Powell |
Joyce Watson |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 83 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 55 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i)
Amendment 26 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i)
Amendment 84 (William Powell)
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Abstain |
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Paul Davies |
Jeff Cuthbert |
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Russell George |
Julie Morgan |
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Llyr Gruffydd |
Jenny Rathbone |
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Alun Ffred Jones |
David Rees |
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William Powell |
Joyce Watson |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 84 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 27 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i)
Amendment 28 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i)
Amendment 44 (Carl Sargeant)
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Jeff Cuthbert |
Paul Davies |
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Julie Morgan |
Russell George |
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Jenny Rathbone |
Llyr Gruffydd |
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David Rees |
Alun Ffred Jones |
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Joyce Watson |
William Powell |
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As the vote was tied, the Chair used his casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)). Therefore amendment 44 was not agreed. |
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Amendment 56 (Carl Sargeant) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).
3 Minister for Natural Resources: Financial scrutiny session
The Minister and officials responded to questions from members of the Committee.
The Minister for Natural Resources agreed to:
· Provide the Committee with a profile of the projected savings resulting from the creation of Natural Resources Wales;
· Update the Committee on whether the £3.9 million allocated to the Nature Fund in 2014-15 will be spent; and
· Provide a note on the role that stakeholders have played in developing the Wales data hub.
4 Papers to note
4.1 Correspondence from the Minister for Natural Resources
Members noted the correspondence.
4.2 Correspondence from the Deputy Minister for Farming and Food
Members noted the correspondence.
4.3 Marine policy in Wales: Correspondence from Natural Resources Wales
Members noted the correspondence.
4.4 Natural Resources Wales annual scrutiny: Correspondence from Emyr Roberts
Members noted the correspondence.